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.\l1. Redfern explained that “as no traffic counts “ere the soil st1ucture in the areaimade to his knouledge. He said was a mixture from sandy to‘he had seen the accident sta- sand mixed with clay, above aitlstlcs but not details as to perched water table In someiwhether these accidents “ere areas there was a fine silty caused by the road \tidth. He material. Absorption was good said he was not anare of an} in some sections and very bad study being made by his or the in others. he sald.munic1'pality's staff as to the HQ explained that, in the need for parking on the streets ~ At the solicitors request he daylighting as Mill P0\*("'.1iili ht turn at Poueii Elizabeth and He eported a member of his flrm ad made a tree count from aerial photographs and it ls estimated less than 5% of the total trees ln the area and About 11% of the trees beâ€"‘ tween the front of houses and the curb will be affected. The total number of trees to be elimlnated ls 129â€"28 on Centre Street. 17 on Richmond Street. 54 on Mill Street and 19 on Elizabeth. He noted there were very‘ bad intersections with these narrow rights-of-way. “I cam personally vouch for the dan-t ger", he stated, adding that ad-‘ ditional land would be acquired‘ to permit daylighting of inter-‘ sections. for jog elimination‘ and for straightening of mis- alignment. “The Department‘ of Highways has stipulated a 281 foot pavement with one excep-; tion, Bridgeford Street. wherei the right-ofâ€"way is 33 feet and‘ placement of houses makes it impossible to widen this right- of-way. Here a 22 foot p‘ave- ment with a rolled curb giving 26 feet of asphalt’ and no straight curb faceJ'will be in- stalled. He noted that newer streets in the area have a 66 {not made allowance and 28 foot pavement width. He also m3 that asphalt sidewalks in certain sections will reduce the number of trees removed. The highway Improvement work will be subsidized 50% by the Department of Highways with no local charges to real- dents In the area he noted. "This has been the policy of council for a few years and their long range policy, as I know it, ls to bring up all resi- dential streets to these stand- ards," he stated. He explained that the reason for selecting 28 feet for pave- ment width was that eight feet are required for a parking lane on one side a! the street and two travelling lanes each re- quire 10 feet of surface. essential differences between 1956 and 1963 regarding prob- lems in the area. The engineer reported there had been a few bits of redevelopment. one or two residential subdivision: and filling in some vacant lots. He stated pipes in the area are inadequate to carry drainage. there is flooding of ditches and at the high school there is a 10 inch pipe which cannot han~ die the demand and the over» {low is discharged into the un- itary sewers. Asked about the department's requirements for a travelling lane, he reported it was 10 feet for residential streets and 11 or 12 feet on collector roads. He reported his flrm's rec- ommendations had been reach- ed after their own investiga- tion. consultation with town employees and members of council. He felt the work was necessary to permit redevelop- ment in the area. “Redevelop- ment on those properties close to Yonge Street might possibly be apartment or commercial," he stated. He noted that as a rule 66 feet is required for roads but after discussion with the De- partment of Highways a comp- romise was arrived at to at- tempt to minimize property damaged and loss of trees. The‘ road allowance, he reported will be limited to 43 feet. This will be split as local conditions warrant, he said, noting that where sidewalks are included in the reconstruction program the road surface will be closer to the other side. ‘ For safety. he maintained it is important to park a car and have two can pass. In most cases as far as the eye is con- cerned, he felt, the 28 foot pavement would take less room than the present roads with ditches. The curbline would fall in the middle of the ditch or_ coming up the back slope, he stated. The homeowners counsel. W. R. Hitch, asked If there were essential differences between 1956 and 1963 regarding prob- Mr. Hitch asked t1 the pipes In the Richmond-Reaman area were cleaned out. The engin- eer did not know. He admitted that houses north of the trouble lpot were built on lot: on the average larger than lots in a new subdivision. Mr. Redferri exnlained that (Continued from Page 1) sity. He could not locate any Many of the road rights-of- parking lots in the area‘ when way In the area are very nar- requested to do so by counsel. row, he noted, with road sur- He could not recall any ac- faces of only 18 to 20 feet with tual traffic count being made shoulders not more than two in the area and to his know- fEEt wide and ditches one to ledge no attempt had been made three feet deep. This takes up to approach the Department of the total rlght-of-way. Highways to seek a subsidy on In ”989"“!!! plans for the a pavement width less than 28‘ proposed road reconstruction. feet, He admitted, "There is he noted that storm sewers are a chance for a subsidy on a not proposed for every foot of smaller pavement width." He road since surface drainage can also admitted the present road run down the road for approx- surface is good with no pot- lmately 200 feet. The proposed holes or big cracks. road would be asphalt surfaced He. also admltted no count with curbs. and have a width had been made on hedges of 28 feet from face to face of which would have to be re- the curbs. moved. Southwest O.M.B. Hearing 43' ROAD ALLOWANCE TREE COUNT Mr. McCallum then produced evidence that the western ad- dition to the high school had been officially opened in Jan- uary 1952. Mr Redfern then estimated approximately 10 new houses had been built in the area since 1958. Mr. McCalâ€" lum suggested that increased subsidies would be available ‘from the Department of High- ways if the travelled portion of the highways were not in- }creased one inch. Mr. Redfern Ireplied. “That's a matter for ne- » gotiation." Mr. McCallum again took up the questioning of the engineer on the subject of flooding in the area of Richmond-Reamer: Street. He suggested ponding in that area could be greatly alleviated by providing a larger manhole. Mr. Redfern stated the pipe throughout its length is too small to handle the vol- ume of water. Mr. McCallum again suggested that the water could be taken away in a storm ditch. "All that needs to be done," he said, "is to deepen theexisting storm ditch and the water will go off down the storm ditch to the west." Mr. Redfern said this would provide additional storage but sug- gested it would not be suffic- ient to clear up the problem. He said the recommended 48 inch pipe would have four times the carrying capacity of the present 24 inch pipe. "I suggest deepening of the ditch will not cure this," he stated. “We are recommending a prop-‘ er system of storm sewers," he! continued. "where basement drains may be‘attached." yucu uy use \ualu auu scpus Ltu seeing the water bubble up three to four inches in height from the floor. He reported the‘ cafeteria was a good six feet below grade level. The boiler room is about eight inches higher, he said. In reply to a question from Mr. McCalIum he thought the water came from the storm sewer and that he had on occasion lifted the man- hole cover on the high school lawn and found the storm sew- er completely filled. He reported that the drain from the west wing extension roof goes into the surface drain and that to his knowledge the other addition was not attached to the storm sewer. Mr. Mc- Callum commented, “Mr. Red- fern is going to be surprised." Reeve James Haggart re- ported that the official plan of the town as it exists today is In 1956 he noted flooding in the high school area was a problem. Roof water was taken east through a 10 inch pipe'to the Dufferin Street storm sew- er. This has caused excessive flooding in that sewer. he noted, and the proposed storm sewer plan would permit this water to be returned ,t'o' it‘s nat- ural drainage course. He reported that two exten- sions to thevhigh school had increased the run-off and that roof water was discharged into the storm‘sewer. Asked if any- one had tried to deepen the ditches to provide more pond- mg area, he answered no. He [aid the commissioner of works had reported to his firm that there was internal flooding in the school. He reported studies were be- ing made on possible rezoning to allow apartment structure and an increase in commercial zones. He admitted that if there was no redevelopment the increased allowance would be a waste. Questioned by Solicitor Mc- Callum, he admitted there is, to his knowledge, no overall plan in existence for the town but said council had decided on a program which is comprehens- lve. lve. Edward Hill, representing Dr. Asked about the changes Helen Hogg. sought engineer- from 1956 recommendations he ing reasons for the change of noted that in that year 115 location of the storm sewer acres were included in the easement between 1956 and plans and in 1963 the total area 1963 from a route parallel to was 125 acres. the existing water course. to He reported studies were be- Dr- HOES'S property. Mr. Red- ing made on possible rezoning fern reported that subsequent to allow apartment structure to 1956 land available for the and an increase in commercial easement had been bllilt 0n. up“. “nu an...” .. v... u ....,.., Following the noon recess a sump pumps discharged the telegram from 1" Holbeck, 210 water on to the grass by means Richmond Street, was read “b" of hose stretched through the jectlng to both street widening front door of the school. About and sewers unless the present six or eight hours would be character of the area can be necessary for the mopping up retained. operations, he said. He reported that a survey made in 1956 indicated fairly severe flooding from moderate storms. Noting that ratepayers in the area are not complaining. Mr. McCallum asked if the sit- uation had worsened. Mr. Red- fern, noting that no two storms are exactly alike. replied, “I would say yes it is worse. Ad- ditional development has taken place in the drainage area and no new outlets have been pro- vided for carrying drainage. You will be getting approxim- ately 15 to 20% more drain- age." Mr. McCallum called thls mere Ipeculatlon, but Mr. Red- !em retorted, "Considered op- Lnlon." Asked by Mr. McCallum if any studies had been made in- dicating the need for a pave- ment width to accommodate three cars, Mr. Redfern's reply was no traffic counts were made to his knowledge He said he had seen the accident sta- tistics but not details as to whether these accidents were caused by the road width. He said he was not aware of any study being made by his or the municipality’s staff as to the aged for parking on the streets; RICHMOND - REAMAN FLOODING counsel. The engineer replied in the Hitch read from minutes of any ac- negative when asked if steps the Richmond Hill Planning g made had been taken to ask the per- Board and a report from M. 5 knowâ€" sons concerned to remove Bacon. its planning consultant, en made masking foliage. that the latter is working on ment of He replied in the affirmative a revision of Richmond Hill’s )sidy on when asked if property lower official plan and expects to than 28 than the new road which might have it ready by February 1965. ,‘here is experience drainage difficul- This report noted that the y on a ties had been considered. Some town's official plan was ap- b.” He potential problems had been proved in 1953 and has since rm road taken care of on road grades. been amended nine times with no pot- he reported, but it is quite some conflictions existing. common, he added, to handle Reeve Haggai-t said the pres- 3 count some of these problems on the ent official plan is completely hedges job. Approximately $7,000 had out-dated and he had moved be re- been allowed in the estimates the motion, in planning board. for driveway reconstruction. asking for its revision because catch basins and contingencies, it has been altered nine times tor. MF'lin these cases, he reported. and there are conflictions. “If Asked how he coped with the problem, he reported 1 staff of six men would build a dam of sand bags and scoop the water into this sump from where sump pumps discharged the water on to the grass by means of hose stretched through the Mr. Victor Lane, superintend- ent of maintenance for York Central District High School Board for the past four years. was asked if there had been any flooding in the interior of Richmond Hill High School. He replied that, re- gardless of rainfall, up to six inches of water flooded the caf- eteria floor during heavy rain- storms. From a moderate storm a quarter inch of water would appear on the floor. Last year flooding occurred 10 or 12 times. Clerk-Treasurer Russell Lyn- ett reported the population of town in 1956 was 5,021 and in 1963 was 18,606. He was not able to report if there had be'en an increase in population in the area under question during those years. Asked by Mr. Hitch where the water came from, he re- plied up the drain and reported seeing the water bubble up three to four inches in height from ,the floor. He reported the cafeteria was a good six feet _ Asked if the program could be carried out in stages. Mr. Redfern reported certain costs would be higher, but it could be done. He reported that the drain from the west wing extension roof goes into the surface drain and that to his knowledge the other addition was not attached to the storm sewer. Mr. Mc- Callum commented, “Mr. Red- fem is going to be surprised." Centre where there is a fair grade and large trees. 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He stated the proposed road width in his opinion was based on ideal standards and with cars a full six feet wide and trucks much wider a 10 foot allowance was necessary in a travelling lane. Reeve Haggai-t said the pres- ent official plan is completely out-dated and he had moved the motion, in planning board. asking for its revision because it has been altered nine times and there are conflictions. “If our planning consultant cannot understand these, how can lay- men?" he asked. Jack Vandermaas of the works department presented 23 photographs taken in the southâ€" west section of town. He had marked them with blue lines representing existing situation of roads and with red lines rep- resenting the new situation. He admitted that “I might be a couple of inches out," when questioned as to what scale he had used in determining loca- tion of these lines. Asked why parking provis-‘ ions were necessary. he stated that all homes in the area have guests, callers and deliveries. "If only one car is parked on a street where there isn‘t room you have problems,” he stated, continuing. “If we haven’t suf- ficient off-street parking, we have to provide it on the street." Every time you have an obstruction you have a prob- lem, it’s a potential danger when there is room for traffic only." He reported he had conferred with the commiss- in the vicinity of the high school. “Would road widening relieve a need for parking cre- ated by the students?" he was asked. His reply was, “It would alleviate a traffic problem." After a notice had appeared in “The Liberal" in the spring Dr. Helen Hogg stated that she lived at 98 Richmond Street from May 1937 and pro- duced snapshots to show that in 1946 there were no houses between her home and the nigh school and none to the east to Hall Street. Her property. she said, had a frontage of 110 feet on Richmond Street, with 69 feet on Centre Street. Plant- mg on this property was mostly 50 years old although some dated back only 25 years. Deeds in her posssession go back more than 100 years, she reported. incorporated into the Metropol- itan Toronto draft plan. Mr. Hitch read from minutes of the Richmond Hill Planning Board and a report from M. Bacon. its planning consultant, that the latter is working on conferred with the commiss- ioner of works on these probâ€" lems at various times In the past few years. The chief noted there was a traffic problem on Hall Street Branch Offices THE General Manager, W. W. Foot “On my return from a trip I was rather flabbergasted to be told that 'we will take all the back portion as we can use the extra 10 feet for trucks and things‘, and an appraiser would call on me. On May 29 Mr. J. A. McMillan of Chambers & Meredith called and told me there would be nothing left in the whole swath and that, it would be better for the town to buy the whole property and for me to get out." stated Dr. Hogg. Referring to the lot on the water course to the east of her property, Dr. Hogg reported she had always understood it could not be built on because it was smaller than 50 feet. “I went away on a trip in 1958 and came back to find a house partially erected on the prop- erty. I protested as did several people in the area. The mayor called on me to apologize and explained that something in the original deed for that property prevented enforcement of the 50 foot frontage requirement," she said. Asked by Mr. Johnson she identified a letter received by her from the town which prom- ised her the mlnlmum of in- convenience. She said she had been told the inconvenience, would be controlled by the sea- son, soil conditions and stated "I am against the proposed storm sewers and the installa- tion of pavement." 0n redirect she stated Mr. McMillan had said “Really when they get through with their cutting you would not enjoy living here." about the proposed work. 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